Stirred not Shaken

May 7, 2010


Filed under: Uncategorized — Debs @ 9:20 am

I seemed to have my own Catholic language for awhile until I learned the  lingo.  Messages given by a Father were Hominies, a type of corn, until I was corrected into it being a HomiLy, which is what the message given is called.  Father Troy is one I don’t miss.  I take away something from his messages every week.   I am posting a message from him that really touched me.  My hope is, that you will listen with your heart for God.  My first thought was to just post this and have you listen and not tell you who was speaking.  But I want you to hear the message he is giving, (he even uses scripture 😉 and hear him as a brother in Christ and a man of God.    Hopefully this will be a first step in a better understanding, especially for those who have just “heard about” and never really actually experienced a Catholic Homily.  I will continue with other topics next week.  Love you guys and have a great weekend!  Just click the link below….  🙂




  1. Just got to this post.

    Denominations do not save us.
    Our actions based on faith, tell others who our Faith is in. Take Christ out of the picture and you have nice actions, but no salvation.

    I turned away from all denominations because I did not see any acting as Christ’s church. It wasn’t until I realized His Church spanned denominations that, I started seeing His Church through the actions of his true Disciples.

    So my step away from the Catholic church was not solely based on doctrine, but based on a search for unity of the Church beyond denominations.

    That is why now if someone asks me my denomination. I tell them I am a Follower/Disciple of Christ.

    Allegiance to Him is all that matters.


    Comment by ckroboth — May 19, 2010 @ 2:26 am

  2. I agree with what Willison says whole heartedly – we must be sure we are following the Christ. Not people.

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 9, 2010 @ 9:17 am

  3. Papa you are describing reasons to be Christian. I agree completely. I’m talking about after that, how to decide which type of Christian and that should be doctrine. That is, which Church is teaching the most accurate version of God. Find out what they teach – not how individuals mess it up.

    Otherwise we would have to say Jesus was flawed because Judas was bad.

    Comment by Willison — May 8, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

  4. Willison@”Denominations should be picked on doctrine, not people we know.”

    That sounds good – but not reality. I am thankful for my “Christian Heritage” the people who trained me, educated me, gave their lives as an example to me. I saw their “doctrine” in their lives. Do you think your Christian Heritage you are showing your children will have a minimal impact on the “doctrine” your children choose? Or, will they choose the Roman Catholic Faith strictly by “Doctrine”?

    They are watching you, not the church or its “doctrine” in a book. You are providing them “doctrine” through the educational program of the church, but mostly as a Christian father and family.

    Lets see, if we took Christ out of the Bible ( a “people”) and wrote the Bible all over again, with no reference to Him as existing, would the “doctrine” be sufficient? Did your first Pope become a convert because of “Doctrine’ or “a people”?

    When I read my Bible I see a story of the Son of God, who came as my Savior to ransom my soul. Yep, I first saw that in my mom & dad, and wow, just like the disciples, I wanted to follow HIM !! The Christ!!

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 8, 2010 @ 4:15 pm

  5. Gee Papa, we’ve had two impeached presidents and a third resigned. They were all Protestant. Does that mean there is something about Protestantism that doesn’t get the message through? Sheesh.

    Denominations should be picked on doctrine, not people we know.

    But if we want to talk about people, let’s discuss Mother Teresa or John Paul. Think the Chistian massage got through to them?

    Comment by Willison — May 8, 2010 @ 11:17 am

  6. Thanks Deb – My comments were made with two things in mind. To show why I believe what I do and how our life interactions mold our choices. Again, thanks for letting me share. Time to tuck mama in!! 🙂

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 7, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

  7. Yeah… feel free to bail anytime Papa dear… I just thought your wording was interesting so I decided to ask you about it. I don’t mean to pick apart anything you have said…. but I have family that are both Protestant and Catholic, and on both sides there are serious problems that make me wonder about their salvation. I also have several in both camps that I stand in awe of their devotion and Christlikeness to the point that they make me want to be a better Christ follower. So for me to “not” be something because of someone’s life choices to me is not a legitimate thing.

    Alcohol is a life choice just like anything else, whether people are Catholic, Protestant, or Atheist…. don’t know what else to say about that one…

    I’m also going to be doing some posts on some of the rituals within the Catholic church… so much to write, so little time lol
    Thank you for sharing Jim. If I have learned anything this last year or so is NOT to base my walk on outward appearances or people and their opinions. It is to be on God’s Word and what is pleasing and right in HIS eyes…. that is the journey I am on… and the one I will be obedient to. God’s message is always the same, He is never changing. So to me, if the message doesn’t get through it is the heart condition of the person, not Him, a building or religious denomination. Just my two cents. 🙂

    Comment by Debs — May 7, 2010 @ 7:54 pm

  8. Deb – Attending any church does not “save” you. There have been many discussions about that terminology and if this conversation starts down that road i will bail. 🙂 My father never had any desire to be a part of the Roman Catholic church. He went because his family did – that did not save him. As a young adult he gave his heart and life to Christ in the church I mentioned.

    I was raised in a protestant faith all my life. I watched the spiritual lives of my parents and those around me. Their lives and testimonies are what I wanted to see in my life. I have had many Roman Catholic relatives/families within my family circle – and not one today has a life style that distinguishes them as Christian. Am I being judgmental? Yes Ma’am. That is why I chose to be where I am. In fact one family that i knew that was totally committed to the Roman Catholic church has completely destroyed itself – both parents destroyed their lives with alcohol and died from that, the kids all are alcoholics and not “Christians” – except one – she was led to Christ by my mother, became a Baptist, has two daughters now attending A Baptist College studying to go into full-time Christian work.

    You can pick apart what I have said above, you can say alcohol was a separate issue, however – I watched this family’s commitment to their church, financially, attendance, all the right stuff – but somehow the Christian message did not get through – why? I don’t know. But I think a lot of what I saw was a religion of ritual that did not get into the hearts of the people. It was ritual vs. life changing commitment. The latter lost.
    Just my personal thoughts and opinions. Thanks for letting me share.

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 7, 2010 @ 7:24 pm

  9. I hear this over and over again Papa… and there is a common theme to many of us and our lives where religion is concerned. Simply put, our parents, and grandparents were Catholic. As we move down generationally… Catholics become Protestant. I find that both interesting and disturbing, and will begin looking into my own family and the why’s. You also bring up another thing, I can’t even remember the name of what it is at the moment, of paying for prayers. it is another topic I want to look into… and will. 🙂 One thing that did stand out to me that you said was, “My father was saved as a young adult…..” which implies you do not believe he was saved within the Catholic church when he was young? I’m also wondering with your heritage what is keeping you from the Catholic Church….. Well, You asked! 😉

    Comment by Debs — May 7, 2010 @ 6:50 pm

  10. My father was raised in a devout Roman Catholic family – Of all the children (5) my father was the only one who did not stay with the Roman Catholic church. My grandmother died in the late 50’s as a devout Roman Catholic – I was about 15. We had been in a protestant church as a family always. My father had two major complaints – 1st, he hated the catholic school. He said the corporal punishment was horrendous. 2nd, he had a brother who had a leg ran over by a train – the Priest insisted that for them to get their prayers answered they needed to give more money to the church. My dad’s brother did not lose his leg, but it was because of prayer – not money, because they had little. One of my cousins studied to be a priest. He decided at the very end of schooling not to be a priest. I asked him just a few years ago why he gave up his “calling” – he noticed that the girl next to where he was living was cute! 🙂

    Whenever we visited grandma, the cousins, we always attended Mass. i was always in awe as a child at the ritual in the church and was always awe struck with the design and decor of the sanctuary/worship area in the church.

    My father was saved as a young adult in an independent holiness church. He was a very Godly man and active in the church. My brother still attends that church today. I was saved at the age of 16 in that same church. i still visit that church if I am in the area. If you have any questions – fire away.

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 7, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

  11. Yes, it challenged me as well. You mentioned going to mass, and you and I have never discussed this part of your walk. In fact, I’m beginning to see many who once were in the Catholic Church, or secretly thinking of the Catholic Church, but because of outside influences are intimidated. I’m putting this out there, and think it could be great discussion for you or anyone who would like to share and/or discuss their walk or experiences…. I uh, obviously am no longer intimidated, LOL, so I will be happy to begin to share mine in greater detail… and as the Lord may lead. I would love to hear some testimony… and Jim, since you are here…. maybe you would like to start? It’s not a “have to” only if you want to….

    Comment by Debs — May 7, 2010 @ 5:51 pm

  12. The Homily was challenging – it brings back memories of going to Mass with various family members. The challenge to be of service to others is a message that Christ brought to us and has always been a part of the churches mission.

    Comment by Indian Lake Papa — May 7, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

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